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Old 05-02-2011, 10:22 PM
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Paging Gizzmo, I am looking at a used Subaru and need advice

A guy I know relative has a 2001 Forester L AWD automatic forsale. It has less then 60k miles. It has received all its routine service and only major repairs was axle leaking which was replaced in 2010.

Is there anything I should look at or check that could be potential problem in the future. Were going to look at it saturday and offer $5500. KBB booked for 7200, but it look like it rarely if ever saw wax in the pas 10 years and the carpet looks like it might of seen a vacuum once a year. It has the steel wheels too, but the tires are year old michelins. If I got it, I thinking of maybe having the detail guy that did my dads porsche do it, unless he laughs at me.

If it was local I would love to have you check it out, but its not. The wife thinks the wheels are ugly, but I told her we probably pick up a set OEM STi wheels to swap out on it.

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Old 05-02-2011, 11:31 PM
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That's a good price for the mileage!
If it's gotten the 60k service then you have nothing to worry about for awhile (50k).

OEM STi wheels will run you a pretty penny as only the 04 STi had the same bolt pattern as every other subaru lol. But you can find good looking Rotas for 500-600 with tires used.

The only thing I would do is go drive it, if it drives fine then I wouldn't have any doubts buying it!
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Head gaskets and I would change the timing belt while doing head gaskets as it's been on there for a decade. They're supposed to be 105k belts but with it being 10 years old it's gonna need head gaskets and the damn belt is off so replace that bish. The foresters are great, once you swap out the crap head gaskets that WILL leak if they aren't. To do the belt and head gaskets figure $400 or so in parts for the mega deluxe kit with EVERYTHING. It can be done more budget minded in a lot of cases (like this one most likely due to mileage) The $400 is including timing pulleys that the club guys replce and my techs at work don't. The Forester is an easy one to knock out head gaskets and a tbelt in a garage as it's a single cam 2.5 in a hole big enough for a 3.3 H6 so you can get in there pretty easy.

As stated the STi wheels are a pretty penny as the 04 is the only year that fits the other Subie models (excluding SVX) They are anywhere from $600(silvers) up to $1200-$1500 for Goldies. Suspension from the 02-07 WRX will swap over as long as you use the WRX rear strut mounts. I've seen them in here with 200k+ on them and still kicking.
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It's fail b/c it's a Saturn, it has nothing to do with small, nimble, 41mpg, and no rust.
Personally if I wanted small, nimble, good gas milage and no rust, I would own a Mini. However, I want space, fun to drive, loud as fuck, forced induction, hood scoop, and AWD.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:56 AM
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...I am looking at a used Subaru and need advice...
Heres some advice...RUN AWAY!!!
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:38 PM
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Subaru > CTS-V from what I've seen
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It's fail b/c it's a Saturn, it has nothing to do with small, nimble, 41mpg, and no rust.
Personally if I wanted small, nimble, good gas milage and no rust, I would own a Mini. However, I want space, fun to drive, loud as fuck, forced induction, hood scoop, and AWD.
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So....at 60k you have to change head gaskets, timing belt as normal maintenance? THat's almost as bad as the 100k mile BMW "rebuild your entire cooling system for normal maintenance"!
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Old 05-03-2011, 06:54 PM
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Different engine (2.5L DOHC) but our '98 Forester S that we bought new was sold to a friend in 2008 with over 250K on it. No headgasket failures, though I'm aware of the issue on others. Also had a timing chain, and as expected that was still fine. For that matter, so was the original clutch!

Total list of replaced parts in a quarter of a million miles:
3 CV boots
2 sets of brake pads
1 set of brake rotors
1 battery
3 sets of tires
2 sets of spark plugs
1 knock sensor (at about 225K)
1 clock (over 200K)
1 speedo module (at 217K)
1 set of plug wires
1 ignition coil (at about 230K)
A whole bunch of headlight bulbs (my wife left the dang things on ALL the time since the Subie shuts them off automatically when you turn the car off)
Regular fluid and filter changes

The car is probably at 275K or more, and still on the original clutch with no other failures that I'm aware of. The new owner may have replaced the (original) struts, or was at least thinking about it.

That's it. Boring car, but a darn reliable one that my wife was very happy with.

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Old 05-03-2011, 07:21 PM
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So gizzmo do you do side work off the clock?
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Haha....if he did his blue wagon of doom would be finished!

if you head on over to indiana impreza there are guys who will be happy to lend a hand for some food and beer. For example, me
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:29 PM
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So gizzmo do you do side work off the clock?
yes, we do. normal charges are beer and pizza.

sounds like a steal. do eeet.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:31 PM
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yes, we do. normal charges are beer and pizza.

sounds like a steal. do eeet.
As long as it gets done in one day, but it won't be till I get my cough cough basic maintenance as I told the wife almost a year ago cough cough daily driver moving under its own power.

Thanks again for the offers.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:20 AM
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Haha....if he did his blue wagon of doom would be finished!

if you head on over to indiana impreza there are guys who will be happy to lend a hand for some food and beer. For example, me
actually if he didn't his wagon would be done


Chris, I can lend a hand when free time is available. That is generally at a premium. Example: This weekend consists of: Ft Wayne Friday to get my 6 speed then to Granger. Granger to Elk Lake Michigan for a memorial for a rally racing buddy on saturday. Kokomo Sunday for mother's day. If we have a few weeks notice it's no biggie. It's also not ZOMG change the head gaskets now!!! If they aren't leaking, let it be. We change a LOT of 2.5 NA head gaskets though. I could walk over and pull a head gasket job for that vehicle without looking at the parts catalog. Just something to look for when "checking it out"
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It's fail b/c it's a Saturn, it has nothing to do with small, nimble, 41mpg, and no rust.
Personally if I wanted small, nimble, good gas milage and no rust, I would own a Mini. However, I want space, fun to drive, loud as fuck, forced induction, hood scoop, and AWD.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:23 AM
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So....at 60k you have to change head gaskets, timing belt as normal maintenance? THat's almost as bad as the 100k mile BMW "rebuild your entire cooling system for normal maintenance"!
do you let any rubber belt ride on your car for 10 years? The head gaskets are crap, I'll admit that to anyone, these may not be leaking, just something to look at. Maybe he should buy a Hyundai instead. Can he borrow your trailer to bring it home or is your hyundai still on it?
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It's fail b/c it's a Saturn, it has nothing to do with small, nimble, 41mpg, and no rust.
Personally if I wanted small, nimble, good gas milage and no rust, I would own a Mini. However, I want space, fun to drive, loud as fuck, forced induction, hood scoop, and AWD.
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Different engine (2.5L DOHC) but our '98 Forester S that we bought new was sold to a friend in 2008 with over 250K on it. No headgasket failures, though I'm aware of the issue on others. Also had a timing chain, and as expected that was still fine. For that matter, so was the original clutch!

Total list of replaced parts in a quarter of a million miles:
3 CV boots
2 sets of brake pads
1 set of brake rotors
1 battery
3 sets of tires
2 sets of spark plugs
1 knock sensor (at about 225K)
1 clock (over 200K)
1 speedo module (at 217K)
1 set of plug wires
1 ignition coil (at about 230K)
A whole bunch of headlight bulbs (my wife left the dang things on ALL the time since the Subie shuts them off automatically when you turn the car off)
Regular fluid and filter changes

The car is probably at 275K or more, and still on the original clutch with no other failures that I'm aware of. The new owner may have replaced the (original) struts, or was at least thinking about it.

That's it. Boring car, but a darn reliable one that my wife was very happy with.

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Timing Chain??? I'm not aware of any Subie 2.5 4 banger with a chain until the 2011 forester.
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It's fail b/c it's a Saturn, it has nothing to do with small, nimble, 41mpg, and no rust.
Personally if I wanted small, nimble, good gas milage and no rust, I would own a Mini. However, I want space, fun to drive, loud as fuck, forced induction, hood scoop, and AWD.
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do you let any rubber belt ride on your car for 10 years? The head gaskets are crap, I'll admit that to anyone, these may not be leaking, just something to look at. Maybe he should buy a Hyundai instead. Can he borrow your trailer to bring it home or is your hyundai still on it?
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For the record, after 307k miles, one hyundai of the two had to be towed home to get a new CKP sensor.... Notbad IMO. It's not the T-belt that would bother me as much as the shitty head gaskets. Why do modern manufacturers (not just subie) cheap out on such important things?
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I had 150k on my stock SOHC 2.5 Subaru, with an aftermarket turbo kit on it and had no issues. I thought I remember reading that it was the DOHC 2.5's that had the head gasket issues.

I beat the absolute dog crap out of that motor and had no issues at all. Subaru motors are stout and they can take some abuse for sure.
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Timing Chain??? I'm not aware of any Subie 2.5 4 banger with a chain until the 2011 forester.
Ben,

You'd be much more aware of the various 2.5 iterations than I am, but it does seem like Subaru keeps tweaking on the same displacement flat four (and essentially the same peak power ratings, though the emphasis is on peak and ratings, not the whole curve which did change). It was a '98 and IIRC the DOHC was pretty new at that point and the Forester was brand new for the US, and in the next model year or two they changed to a SOHC 2.5. Anyway, according to the owners manual's service intervals it was a chain and no replacement interval. I wish I had the car and book still, but you might look up that year specifically if you car to.

I do remember hearing lots of noise about head gasket issues, but ours was fine. Since we put 500-600 miles a week on each of our cars I was under it a lot doing oil changes (no ramps required, just slide under from the front - great car to change oil and filter on!) and watching both the outgoing oil as well as poking around for leaks. We never did anything about it, but the valve cover gaskets did leak eventually though not enough to warrant replacing them.

Oh, that reminds me - we did have to replace some airbag sensors and modules well after 200K too. That was done at Tom Wood, which is where I bought the car and also had the CV boots, speedo and the 60K sevices done. For the most part the other (less time consuming) stuff I did myself as the car was easy to work on. I suspect that we're still in your service records.

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Old 05-06-2011, 06:35 PM
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I will keep and eye on things. So I see the tow rating is 2000lb, will it handle 3000 and no hills?

Guess I gotta sell the mustang and build a Lotus 7 if I want to trailer somthing.

Water cooled porsche people say they never change the timing belt too, but if I bought a used water cooled porsche with more then 80K miles with the original belt. I would knock the cost down $500 more dollars and get it done asap. It is rubber not steel, it degrades. I work with automotive rubber seals everyday. Rubber parts don't last for ever and more wear equals more stretch and less likely to return to a normal shape. I could understand if you drive and shift at 3500 rpm, but if you like to put the needle in the red or downshift to a corner. Prepare for that LS1 swap to come sooner then later.
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